Real Talk Podcast: Teaching Young Women Resilience and Grit

January 18, 2023
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In this episode of Real Talk, KJK Student Defense Attorneys Susan Stone and Kristina Supler are joined by Charlotte Wasserman, co-founder of “It’s a Girls Life”, an organization dedicated to teaching young women grit and resilience.  The conversation includes what grit means and what the acronym stands for, the importance of finding the right people to surround yourself with and how you can be the right person for someone else, and the biggest challenges facing young women today.

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It’s a Girls Life Podcast (Apple Podcast):

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Show Notes:

  • (03:10)  What does G.R.I.T. stand for?
  • (04:49) What inspired Charlotte to start G.R.I.T.?
  • (06:45)  An inspiring example of how Charlotte used grit to go against the grain and make the best decision for her
  • (10:46)  The struggles of finding the right Team to support you
  • (11:30)  Why it’s important to have the right Team
  • (12:55)  Is teaching grit different for girls than for boys?
  • (16:14)  Can grit grow to meet the really big challenges in life?
  • (17:31)  A project to help people deal with really big challenges
  • (18:32)  “It’s a Girl’s Life” Podcast – what will listeners get from this podcast?
  • (21:15)  How to be a good, supportive Team member for someone else?
  • (22:05)  Why sometimes it’s better to be a good listener
  • (23:57)  The biggest challenge girls face today
  • (25:00)  What’s in the future for the “It’s a Girl’s Life” program
  • (26:43)  How Charlotte plans to help more college and high-school girls with her program
  • (27:52)  Sororities:  Confidence Builder or Resilience Killer
  • (28:15)  How to pick out the right sorority for you



Susan Stone: Kristina, what’s so sad is we never get to meet people under. , everything’s great.

Kristina Supler: Ordinary circumstances. 

Susan Stone: Yeah. like, Hey, you know, come you, if you call us for help, that means 

Kristina Supler: most of our clients are in a bad place. So when we’re dealing with students, it’s some type of crisis 

Susan Stone: and we don’t see the post crisis. We don’t get to see the bounce back. 

Kristina Supler: Rarely. Yeah. I mean, sometimes we stay in touch with families and, and receive updates, but yeah, I think you’re, you said it exactly right. We, we see the worst and we don’t get to see the best or the recovery, 

Susan Stone: but the one aspect of getting through a legal process at least, or a challenging situation, I think is how resilient a student is when they come to us, because, uh, the students that have a little bit more grit. Mm. Yeah. That’s gonna be the word for today of day. The word of the day. The students that show a little more grit are just more present and get through the process a lot. Well, frankly, better for them and better for us. Right.

Kristina Supler: I agree. It does help us. Uh, it makes it a little easier for us to do our job in terms of guiding and supporting students going through the crisis.

Susan Stone: So I wanna know, and the question always is that we talk about. What makes regardless of the circumstances, Why are some people are just more resilient than others? 

Susan Stone: And that’s it.

Kristina Supler: It’s great question. And on that note, I’d like to introduce today’s guest. Today we are pleased to be joined by Charlotte Wasserman, who is a freshman at Southern Methodist University, SM u Charlotte hails from Cleveland. And she’s really passionate about empowering girls to become the best versions of themselves through her nonprofit. Called, it’s a Girl’s Life. Charlotte’s been working on, it’s a Girl’s Life since its creation in middle school for her.

Kristina Supler: She’s hosted several events for teen girls, primarily focused on teaching them about grit and resilience, and her current focus is on growing and being the host of It’s a Girls’ Life podcast, which empowers young women to be creators of their own stories. Welcome Charlotte. 

Kristina Supler: Welcome 

Charlotte Wasserman: Charlotte. Hi, . Thanks for having me.

Susan Stone: Y. And I have to say that, um, I’ve known Charlotte since she was been born, and if you wanna talk about grit, someone that I respect a lot and is incredibly strong, beautiful, and resilient, is Charlotte’s mom, Halle. So big fan. You can tell her. I did a shout out about her today. 

Charlotte Wasserman: I will tell her after this.

Susan Stone: So, charlotte, . Grit is a word, but it’s an acronym. When we looked at your website, yes, G R I T in all caps, tell us what it stands for and what it really means. 

Charlotte Wasserman: Yeah, so. Grit. So grit is obviously as a one word definition about like resilience and getting back out, up and out there after you like fall down or have a challenge in kind of overcoming that.

Charlotte Wasserman: But. As to girls’ life, we saw grit as more than that and kind of like a framework for people and like girls specifically to live by. So the G stands for Growing Guts and that is growing courage. And confidence I guess you could say. And then the R stands for resilience. Which is, getting back out there after, times are tough and you’re experiencing different things, “I” is imperfections and accepting your own imperfections and that, you’re not perfect. All around people make mistakes and that’s what makes us human. 

Charlotte Wasserman: And then T is team, and that means surrounding yourself and the importance of surrounding yourself with people who build you up and support you and can help you through those tough times as well. So between all those, that’s like the most important things that I think are for someone who wants to build grits, I guess you would say, and what you need or to like accept when you’re building grit in your own life.

Susan Stone: That’s a lot to unpack actually. That’s a lot. . 

Kristina Supler: I love that. And I’m just trying to imagine as a, as a middle school student having the maturity and awareness and insight to think about creating this platform and, and executing it. So tell us a little more about what inspired you to do what you’re doing and create grit.

Charlotte Wasserman: The first thing I would say is that I can’t take full responsibility for like the whole G R I T framework because that was actually established a foundation out in California that I found when I was in middle school that was teaching girls, but very like small group settings, middle school and maybe high schools as well about grit and resilience.

Charlotte Wasserman: So what happened is that when I was in middle school I was like facing a lot of academic and social challenges as a lot of girls do. And I just realized that there has to be like some way to teach girls about everything that we’re all experiencing that will like provide them Clarity on like what they’re experiencing, but also how to fix it.

Charlotte Wasserman: And when I heard about what this organization out in California was doing and teaching girls about, which was grit I just, my own research and found out was a topic that was mostly taught to adults. And I thought it was so interesting in how you can actually teach that to girls and how meaningful it would be.

Charlotte Wasserman: So then I reached out to them. We just started talking about creating an event series for teen girls here in Cleveland. So it wasn’t just going to specific middle schools or high schools, but anyone who wanted to come could attend, learn what grit is, hear about it in like real life examples from speakers.

Charlotte Wasserman: And again, reminder, reminds them that like, you’re not the only person who’s dealing with something, whatever that could be.

Susan Stone: I have a two-part question, if you’ll bear with me a little bit. Mm-hmm. , I struggle with the idea, can you teach grit? Mm-hmm. , 

Susan Stone: is it something you just have to live through something tough and look back, but if, right.

Susan Stone: Your whole group is based on the idea that you can. So I’m assuming your answer is yes. , but can you give me an example of a situation where someone learned some tools, what those tools were and they actually got gritty?

Charlotte Wasserman: Hmm. That’s so interesting question that I really like. No one’s ever asked me that question before.

Charlotte Wasserman: I think like the part that’s teachable about grit is that the reflection part, what you said is helping people realize that like it’s something. You grow over time and I think that it’s like you have to almost focus on realizing that you have it based on like experiences you’ve dealt with in the past and how those experiences impact where you are now and how you deal with the different things happening to you right now.

Charlotte Wasserman: Or it could be like identifying the problem and realizing, you know, what that taught you. , and that’s like a practice of grit because you’re realizing like, what is something that I one struggled with and how is that teaching me something about like what I could use today? So I think it’s more like the teaching part is more of like the realizing and reflecting part and then a real example of grit and I guess how you see it teaching someone something.

Charlotte Wasserman: there’s I’ve, I guess I’ve talked to a lot of people about it, so I’m trying to pick like my favorite one, but let me think for a second. I would say I can use like my own kind of like personal story as an example, but when I was going to college, which was a recent decision, obviously like last year, a year ago today, I was apply, I was hearing back from a bunch of colleges.

Charlotte Wasserman: I remember this time specifically I was hearing back from the college of at now. But one thing was like, . My college decisions were back to back two days in a row. One was a rejection from a school that I made an early decision to, and one was a school that I’m currently at right now. And those were a day apart from each other.

Charlotte Wasserman: And I chose, well, I mean through all of the other places that I got accepted into later on, I was able to make the decision to go to the school I’m at right now. And that was a school that no one really from, like my hometown, talked about going to. And it was, I knew it was, I was going from Ohio to a school in Texas and a lot of people had a lot of specific things to say about where I was going off to that weren’t always.

Charlotte Wasserman: Like a lot of like questions like, oh, like why would you go all the way over there? Or I never ha, I don’t have any, any family down there. So I was like, oh, this is so nerve-wracking. Like new experiences, new people, something totally outside of my comfort zone.

Charlotte Wasserman: But now that I’m there, I realized that like, even though this was maybe like a tougher decision or something that was a little bit different from just going to a school in Ohio maybe where a lot of people went to, I knew it taught me that.

Charlotte Wasserman: I could do something where I don’t know anybody and like find people to, be friends with or that I could do something that was like outside of the known and be just fine. So that’s like an example.

Susan Stone: Well, you’re more than just fine. You’re actually thriving. 

Kristina Supler: But it’s interesting to hear you speak about, just taking what you’ve just shared with us the process of settling on your, your college and you made a decision and people were questioning you and you were sort of doing something different from a lot of your peers surrounding you, and then you found new people.

Kristina Supler: It makes me think of the “T” and Grit Team. Mm-hmm. so, . How do you know when to change up your team or what to look for in quote unquote teammates 

Susan Stone: and teams change. Right, right. Yeah. I think sometimes we realize. Uh, I know I’ve had a lot of different life experiences and I’ve, I feel like I’m a cat who’s lived nine lives.

Susan Stone: Mm-hmm. and sometimes I look back and I think these were lovely people in my life, but they weren’t my team. I’m a little bit of an odd duck, wouldn’t you say? 

Kristina Supler: Yeah. I mean, I think you’ve especially gone through experiences where there was a place and a time for a relationship that was supportive and meaningful, and then we evolve and. you reevaluate. But Charlotte, I’m, I’m curious to hear more of your thoughts on changing up your team. 

Charlotte Wasserman: Yeah. I think it’s really important, like topics to talk about because when I was in high school and middle school, I really struggled with finding the right people to surround myself with.

Susan Stone: It’s hard, it’s hard for everyone.

Charlotte Wasserman: Yeah. At any, yeah. I guess it’s like kinda a constant thing, but I just remember that was a specific time. , I realized I was hanging out with people who weren’t really like supportive I guess, of the direction I was heading in. So then I had to decide that I wanted to find people who were gonna be more supportive of that.

Charlotte Wasserman: And that was really scary cuz then I was like, oh, well I didn’t really know who to lean on to when I was like going through transition of people. But then I realized that, you know, when you do find people who are not only like supportive of what you’re working on, but supportive of like your goals and maybe you have some things in common.

Charlotte Wasserman: I think that it is really important because it provides some confidence around things that maybe you find that are important to you but also provides like people who, you know, you can, reach back onto when like things are getting really challenging and you might need support that you don’t feel like you can provide only by yourself. But I’ve realized that even if. And even so like, when I went off to college, I knew that it was gonna be a really exciting experience for me to find even more people that I connected with because when I was in high school and initially was trying to find different groups of people that support me, I always felt like really limited cuz I had a really small high school class.

Charlotte Wasserman: And then when I went to college I knew like I would have so many different people that are around me, so I could really go and Look for the kind of people that I wanted to surround myself with. And then it just helped me feel like more confident in myself, but also like confident in things I wanted to work on too, which is really important that I found.

Susan Stone: And your team’s going to grow again? Yeah. After college. It always changes. , it always changes. 

Kristina Supler: Absolutely. Well, and I think it’s really nice to hear you talk about taking some risk, the g and then having confidence and, and finding your team people to build you up and support. , Tell us about, I, I wonder this idea of grit and your organization is focused on young women.

Kristina Supler: Is teaching grit different for boys and girls, or is it the same? 

Charlotte Wasserman: I. Honestly don’t exactly know what it’s like to teach grit to boys cause I’ve never had that experience before. I do have one brother. 

Susan Stone: But you do have two brothers.

Charlotte Wasserman: Well, I do. I was just gonna think about that . However, I don’t really talk to them about these top.

Charlotte Wasserman: Well, I mean I guess like if I ever had an event or was working on something that’s a girl’s life, obviously they knew about it, but I never like saw the impact of what that could be because I never focused on a group of got boys before. Fair. 

Susan Stone: No, that’s fair. And you went to an all girls school? Yes.

Charlotte Wasserman: Growing up. Had much experiences. Like until, and I still haven’t because even at college it’s not like I talked to, I don’t really there’s obviously it’s like a co-ed school, but I’m not, I haven’t done like an event with boys ever, so I don’t really know the difference. I would just say I’ve always focused on girls because I am a girl and that was an experience that I knew is.

Charlotte Wasserman: Some things that girls do are unique to girls course. So that’s why of course I kind of chose to focus in that area

Kristina Supler: well and it’s work you enjoy doing, so that Right. That makes sense. 

Charlotte Wasserman: Yes. 

Susan Stone: I’m gonna ask a tough question. Okay. Life is not fair and I thought it was. Yeah, well, equitable at all times.

Susan Stone: Equitable. At all. At times. And how do you impart grit when some people’s problems are just different in scale with what other people have to deal with. I mean, certainly people dealing with broken homes or disease or illness is different than people dealing with. My boyfriend just broke up with me.

Susan Stone: Right. I’m 

Kristina Supler: Or, or what we sometimes refer to as mean girl behavior or mean 

Susan Stone: girl behavior. Yeah. We deal with a lot of parents calling us, saying, my child’s bullied and I have to break it to them that bullying is a technical word and. , you can’t make people invite you, your child to the birthday party. That is not a reason to call a lawyer.

Susan Stone: It’s sad, it’s painful. Mm-hmm. , but it’s not necessarily now total exclusion. Can be bullying, right? Mm-hmm. , it depends to degrees, but what we’re seeing is we’ve seen some really, really, really bad bullying cases where kids have been assaulted and yeah, psychologically devastated, but that is just a difference from someone not.

Susan Stone: liking you 

Kristina Supler: and Well, and I think parents sometimes have a, a, they recoil a little when they hear us say, oh, 

Susan Stone: we’re always given bad news, and unpopular news. 

Kristina Supler: Well, and, we’re not minimizing the impact of, the quote unquote mean girl behavior. But it’s just the reality is that not. All obstacles or difficulties are of similar magnitude or import on an individual’s life.

Kristina Supler: So, 

Susan Stone: so I don’t know, have you had experience with someone coming to you crying saying, God forbid I have, you know, I, my mom’s got, God forbid, cancer, or my father or I don’t have enough money, and it just seems like you can’t compare problems, but I just wanted to know what your reflection is. scalability of issues in life.

Charlotte Wasserman: Right. I think it’s definitely interesting cuz I’ve always thought about how like, it’s amazing that like grit can be. Applied to like such different problems and yet, it could still teach people about what to do when they’re experiencing those things. So I always thought that’s great that there’s a, there’s like a need for it because you can teach it to people who are going through like very, very different situations such that you talk about that are maybe life threatening and, but you can also teach it to people who are dealing with Problems that are like, you know, the mean girl thing, sort, sort of situation.

Charlotte Wasserman: So I always thought that was very interesting how like, one topic could be taught, like people were experiencing very different things. But I remember like a speaker we had at one of our events, we would always have a, an example person who would share their story. And one year it was a speaker who was talking about how she lost her mom when she was really young and how it. Impacted her in a way that made her start something where she could ha have people share their own stories. Not only as like a way to heal, but also to bring attention to what different things people are dealing with and how to talk about hard feelings that are difficult in life because those are really difficult situations.

Charlotte Wasserman: And so it’s called Never ever Give Up, and it was like a letter writing. Project where people could submit their own stories about what they were dealing with. And she shared those stories. And then we had all of the attendees write their own stories. And so it was really interesting because you’re right, people have different types of problems and some of them are.

Charlotte Wasserman: do are more urgent than others, I would say. But that doesn’t, I’ve also found that that doesn’t mean that and I don’t think you’re saying this invalidate like different people’s problems because they’re both problems. It’s just different about what their problems kind of entail and how big that’s gonna impact them.

Charlotte Wasserman: But grit can be taught to both situations. 

Susan Stone: That was really. Well said. Well said. Said that you have a tool that works for any type of problem. Wow. I. 

Susan Stone: Yeah. 

Kristina Supler: Whoa. So Charlotte, you have your own podcast called It’s A Girl’s Life. What type of topics do you cover? Who are your guests? You plug your 

Susan Stone: podcast, Charlotte.

Charlotte Wasserman: Oh yeah. Okay. So it’s called, it’s a Girl’s Life. And it’s a lot of empowering and inspirational interviews for young women. So we’ve talked to a lot of not only like female entrepreneurs, because those stories always have a lot of grit I found in the beginning of their stories and throughout.

Charlotte Wasserman: But also I’ve talked to like young women who are like teenagers that are, some of them have been entrepreneurs, some of them have not been. And then also like what I started to get more interested in was different things that young women could be dealing with and inviting on guests to unpack those situations and help them, provide them advice and what to do when you’re dealing with those situations.

Charlotte Wasserman: So I had an interview yesterday that was really fun, that I really liked, and she was actually a food nutritionist and we talked a lot about how to deal not only with moving away to college and not having like, , everything that like you would have in your home, like kitchen and everything.

Charlotte Wasserman: But also like the mindset of food and that can be really get really toxic for girls. So it’s just like a very Yeah. How to be healthy. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And something that I think everyone has kind of dealt with, so I thought that was really interesting to hear her opinion about it, but it’s just kind of like empowering and educating girls about not only grit but also different specific topics that can help them when they’re growing.

Susan Stone: I wanna shift focus a little bit. We talk about using grit to develop our own resilience and then getting a team, but I wanna get your insight on what it takes to be a supportive team member. Mm-hmm. , a supportive mentor, or a supportive friend. And I’m gonna share a story about your own mother. Oh, tell us about, yeah, I, I’ve got a.

Susan Stone: Grit, giving gift from your mom. So I was going through a really, really, really dark period and I mean dark. It was bad. And I was on the phone with Halle and I was driving, driving a court that day, and I just was telling her how low I felt and how dark it felt for me, and I just felt like it was never gonna end.

Susan Stone: I’m like getting teary talking about this and Hailey, pause. And said, don’t you wanna know how your story ends? I’m really curious. I know this is gonna be an awesome story.

Kristina Supler: That’s a great question. 

Susan Stone: Oh my gosh. It was like the best enough of a sudden. I’m like, that’s so smart. Yeah. Yeah. It was so smart because it made me think a, she believed in me.

Susan Stone: Mm-hmm. . And it made me believe in me because I was like, yeah, I can do this. So I think we all need someone in our life, but can you give a couple tips out there for women, mothers, students on what it takes to be a good team member? .

Charlotte Wasserman: Yeah, I think that’s something I’ve definitely been working on like developing over the past few years.

Charlotte Wasserman: Cuz I realized like I wanted to find my own kind of group of people, but that also comes with you are becoming part of someone else’s group of people as well. And especially with college has, that’s been so fun to realize that. I’ll find, I’ll like make friends and then not only will I go to them for advice, but I see them coming to advice to me, which is really fun and, and like interesting to see.

Charlotte Wasserman: But I think some really good things to focus on is like that I’m also always working on is listening. You have to be like a good listener. So important, hear what they’re dealing with and, and not always just come like super quick to respond because sometimes like people just need to kind. Talk about what’s happening and get it off their chest.

Charlotte Wasserman: And then I think that you need to, I feel like it’s really important to like maybe share sometimes. Something you’re dealing with that can maybe be on like a similar level sometimes because that can help them see like, oh, if she got through this, maybe a similar situation. Or it could be something of different if you haven’t gone through the same things, which won’t always happen.

Charlotte Wasserman: Maybe that could help them kind of see like there is an end like what I might be dealing with. But then also, Sometimes you just don’t know what to say, which is also really hard. And so that’s when you just like should be honest with them and be like, I’ve never had to deal with this myself.

Charlotte Wasserman: I don’t even know, is, this is like a hard thing for me to grasp poo. And I think honesty is always everyone can understand honesty. And it’s good to be honest with the people who you care about cuz it like shows that like, not even, go for like telling them the wrong thing.

Charlotte Wasserman: You just wanna tell them like, I’m here for you and like you come and talk to me about this. And like, make sure that they know, like you’re here to support them as well, I guess. 

Susan Stone: I think that’s a great curriculum. Mm-hmm. , I think you should really write that down, what you said, and I’m picking up what you’re throwing down.

Susan Stone: It’s great. 

Kristina Supler: Charlotte, based on your experiences and then your guests on your podcast and, and the work you’re doing with your organization, what is the biggest challenge impacting young women today in your opinion?

Charlotte Wasserman: I think one of the biggest challenges is like, overall confidence for girls. I think we, we see that a lot.

Charlotte Wasserman: Which is why sometimes girls are really hesitant to not only like start their own thing, but they think that like they just can’t do it and they can’t get through it. And I think that. It gets true for all ages. Oh my God. outta the mouth. God. Yeah, you’re spot on. Yep. Problem that like, I mean, everybody of course has, but I just see a lot in like girls, they just think there’s no, yeah.

Charlotte Wasserman: And I also think like another thing is they don’t think they’re like worth being able to get better too, which I think is like really sad because like everyone’s worth improve themselves. and then they just don’t do anything and they like won’t like, try to improve their situation.

Charlotte Wasserman: So I think that’s definitely a big problem.

Susan Stone: what are your dreams for this organization? Is this something that you wanna continue with? Or after you graduate from college, do you think you’re gonna pass the baton? 

Charlotte Wasserman: Hmm. I think like I’ve been like, constantly asking myself that as well. Once I went to college, I knew like I wanted to give myself the time to evolve myself and like figure everything out there.

Charlotte Wasserman: But now that I’ve settled more into the college experience I found that like it’s definitely impacting girls and girls who are younger than me too has always been a part of me. So I don’t ever really see that ever going away because. . Just certain moments in my own experiences where I’ve seen like the impact we’ve done has been really inspirational.

Charlotte Wasserman: But I think that, I think probably the way that we do what we do will continue to change over time and maybe our mission will change slightly too, but I’m not really sure. And I think that there’s definitely still a need for this content to be taught. I just don’t know exactly what it will turn.

Charlotte Wasserman: Who’s we? 

Susan Stone: Who do you work with? 

Charlotte Wasserman: Oh, well I do, I work with the organization still in California. They’re just kind of like the person that I worked with there. Sarah Anderson. She left the organization and started her own coaching business for girls, but we worked together on the events for the past four years, and I would work with her on it, but I also think what, and then we also did some podcast episodes together too, but I.

Charlotte Wasserman: something that I always wanted to do was grow the kind of like it’s a girls life team and involve some other girls that are around my age to work with them on it because I’ve always kind of done a lot of the work by myself and I think it’s fun to involve other people and help them, like make an impact on girls too.

Charlotte Wasserman: So I would love to work on it with someone else as well, but I have to find that person. 

Kristina Supler: What do you see as next for the organization? 

Charlotte Wasserman: Well, I really want to, since I go to school in Dallas, Texas and it’s a really close-knit community I’ve found so far, especially with the university that I go to.

Charlotte Wasserman: I really would love to do an event with Dallas girls in the schools in the area, cuz there’s a lot of schools that are right near my college. And then maybe something with college girls. I just don’t know what that. 

Susan Stone: Kristine and I work with a lot of Greek organizations. Yeah. And 

Charlotte Wasserman: That could be cool 

Susan Stone: too.

Susan Stone: that could be really cool question. Mm-hmm. , do you think sororities are good for building the resilience for girls or do you think the whole rush process where we basically girls go and select on. Criteria that’s not always based on depth. Do you think Substitute. Thank you. I was open for the word super blur.

Susan Stone: Uh, I mean, do you think sororities take away from resilience, build resilience, or good, bad, or. Neutral. 

Kristina Supler: Hmm. Interesting question I had to ask. I’m very curious to hear what your thoughts are, Charlotte. Yeah, this is 

Susan Stone: real talk. This is real Talk with Susan and Kristina. You gotta get real 

Charlotte Wasserman: with you. Right. I think it’s interesting cuz I’m actually gonna go through that process in January myself which I’m really excited about.

Charlotte Wasserman: Ooh, you’ll have to 

Susan Stone: report back. Yeah. We’re gonna have you back to talk about do sororities foster resilience. 

Charlotte Wasserman: Yeah, it’s definitely interesting cause. . There’s so much I’ve been hearing about it for the past few months, but also like so much is still like unknown about the experience. Cause I haven’t done it yet.

Charlotte Wasserman: But I think it depends on the individual and like what they want out of the process. Because obviously there’s some cases where people are going to join a sorority for maybe like the quote unquote wrong reasons. Sometimes It depends what they want out of it. And like for me personally, like I really wanna find like a group of people who have similar like values as me, I guess.

Charlotte Wasserman: Like they wanna make an impact with the people that they like surround themselves with, but also like wanna find a group of people that are like supportive. So like knowing that I think is probably setting me apart from other people or just, maybe doing it to. For social stuff, which is obviously another reason why I wanna join sorority, but not the only reason.

Charlotte Wasserman: And. It also depend, I don’t know, they kept talking to us about we would have these p and m like potential new member meetings before Rush actually started, and they would tell us about like how they viewed it as like a values based system. So how you should be finding the houses that align with similar values as you.

Charlotte Wasserman: Probably not. A lot of people think about it as much as I have, but like I always thought about like how that means. Oh, I should be clear than on what I want and why I want it. And hopefully that will work out in the end too. 

Susan Stone: Oh, we have to have you come back. Such an interesting 

Kristina Supler: gossip. You are such an impressive young woman.

Kristina Supler: Oh my gosh. Such a treat speaking with you today, and I really encourage our listeners to check out it’s a girl’s life and check out the podcast, the organization, everything you have to offer. This has really been a lot of fun. 

Susan Stone: and I hope this organization goes viral on every campus. There should be, and it’s a girls’ life organization everywhere and in every high school, and much success.

Susan Stone: I know I am beaming with pride. 

Charlotte Wasserman: Thanks for joining so 

Susan Stone: much.